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By: Anonymous https://startupsanonymous.com/question/startup-company-give-away-gross-revenue-product-developer/#comments/4459 Sun, 29 Jun 2014 14:17:46 +0000 https://startupsanonymous.com/?p=1024#comment-4459 Let me chime in for the “it depends” camp, offering my view as multiple startup founder and developer. First, note that there are a lot of missing variables in the OP, way too many to even think of starting a deplorable pissing contest over royalty vs. equity. In fact, the only figures we have are the 3% for 5 years…

Generally, as a prospective developer I consider monetizing my work in terms of up-front fee, royalty and equity. Usually is boils down to a mix of up-front and royalty, or upfront and equity.

It is interesting to realize that each of the three has its own raison d’etre and dynamics, and implications. For example, from the developer point of view, monetization is immediate and safe with up-front, deferred and risky with royalty, and very risky/volatile/nebulous with equity.

A normal startup feels the most pain with upfront, less with royalty, and even less with equity. These factors need to be balanced, and in the course of negotiations I tend to acquire the feel for the optimum balance point. I can also say that over the years, I learned that some amount of pain suffered by the startup can be highly beneficial to the project.

What is the developer bringing to the table? Potentially, her/his contribution can mean success or failure. Especially with hardware/firmware based products, the developer’s contribution can often translate to huge differentials in gross margin. Case in point, with one client I was able to cost-reduce his product from 32$ to 7$ while significantly increasing quality and performance. Keeping the average selling price at around 65$, the client almost doubled gross margin. Would a 2$ royalty have made any significant difference?

Come to think of it, for a startup it can be instructive to look at “royalty” as a fixed dollar amount, effectively part of a product’s Bill of Materials. It then gets “cost-optimized” over time (in the OP example after 5 years). Bundling it with the BOM also avoids potentially problematic definitions of “net” or “gross”.

Equity is a different beast. Before agreeing to an equity position, no matter how large, I want to be sure about the startup’s overall sanity and solidity. Its present level of funding is really immaterial. This means having to do my due diligence, interviews, reading their business plan etc.

In two recent cases I politely refused equity from two clients, because they did not pass my muster; instead, I went for full fee.

In some ways, equity can be treacherous: to the startup, it means essentially nothing, but it creates expectations for the developer. Many serious developers don’t need that kind of motivational-emotional burden.

On the other hand, you do not want to over-pamper a developer with full fees and unlimited time budget, unless you want to test his ethics 

Concluding this already long post with the most important factor of all, which also happens to be the most difficult to assess, the factor of trust. Let’s start a pissing contest over that!

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By: Anonymous https://startupsanonymous.com/question/startup-company-give-away-gross-revenue-product-developer/#comments/4370 Wed, 25 Jun 2014 17:25:00 +0000 https://startupsanonymous.com/?p=1024#comment-4370 In reply to Anonymous.

Good idea!! Thanks!

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By: Anonymous https://startupsanonymous.com/question/startup-company-give-away-gross-revenue-product-developer/#comments/4363 Wed, 25 Jun 2014 15:40:15 +0000 https://startupsanonymous.com/?p=1024#comment-4363 Seriously. Everybody thinks they’re a genius. The only decent answer here so far is from the person who said “it depends.” This could potentially be a fantastic opportunity. Or a horrible one. Before pulling the trigger, another concept to explore might be an opportunity where you offer a percentage of net revenue while allowing the developer to put some limitations on the definition of net.

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By: Anonymous https://startupsanonymous.com/question/startup-company-give-away-gross-revenue-product-developer/#comments/4342 Tue, 24 Jun 2014 21:20:09 +0000 https://startupsanonymous.com/?p=1024#comment-4342 In reply to Anonymous.

OP ignore that troll. He’ll send you to the poorhouse. Perpetual royalty is bad. This is not it. This guy knows nothing.

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By: Anonymous https://startupsanonymous.com/question/startup-company-give-away-gross-revenue-product-developer/#comments/4337 Tue, 24 Jun 2014 20:57:40 +0000 https://startupsanonymous.com/?p=1024#comment-4337 In reply to Anonymous.

OP here. My startup is actually not an SAAS company. I am developing a retail product. Sorry if that wasn’t clear.

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By: Anonymous https://startupsanonymous.com/question/startup-company-give-away-gross-revenue-product-developer/#comments/4335 Tue, 24 Jun 2014 20:10:52 +0000 https://startupsanonymous.com/?p=1024#comment-4335 In reply to Anonymous.

Yeah you’ll also end up with a 5 year old company with a total of 1 million in sales. This isn’t a risk tolerance issue, it’s a horrible deal for any SAAS company. Royalties are for products, not for companies!

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By: Anonymous https://startupsanonymous.com/question/startup-company-give-away-gross-revenue-product-developer/#comments/4334 Tue, 24 Jun 2014 19:32:55 +0000 https://startupsanonymous.com/?p=1024#comment-4334 Instead of going on a pissing match about whether this is a great or bad idea. The real answer is it depends. Without actual numbers nobody can give you a good answer.

If there developer was going to charge you 100K to build it, and offered to build it for 50K with some upside, you need to figure out what that means.

If you feel confident you’ll generate a total of 10M revenue over the next 5 years, that 3% will cost you 300K. Is that worthwhile for you? If you end up generating only 1M, that 3% will cost you 30K – you end up ahead.

At the end of the day, its simple math, projections and risk tolerance.

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By: Anonymous https://startupsanonymous.com/question/startup-company-give-away-gross-revenue-product-developer/#comments/4333 Tue, 24 Jun 2014 18:54:28 +0000 https://startupsanonymous.com/?p=1024#comment-4333 In reply to Anonymous.

That’s why 9/10 startups fail because people like you don’t dream big enough, why would I want to invest in someone who doesn’t want to hit 100 million in 5 years? what’s the point? wheres my upside?

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